LOUIS — "St. Louis is the most dangerous city in the U.S." It's the headline you couldn't miss today if you have a phone, listen to the radio, or get a newspaper. TIL East St. Louis, Illinois is not only one of the most violent cities in the United States, but it consistently ranks among the world's most dangerous cities. We're in our upper 20s. http://www.zipmap.net/Indiana/Marion_County/Indianapolis_city_(balance).htm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas. Next, I took a look at the population density per zip code in order to estimate the population density of that entire area. I was trying to express that our downtown areas take up a larger portion of our total size. It is NOT part of St. Louis County. Will definitely try Pappy's! However, North city is still a bloody hemorrhaging wound, and we cannot ignore the fact that we still have a terrible problem with violent crime. According to the 11 most dangerous cities, the data shows which city has the highest overall incidence of crime compared to that of the national rate.The score of 100 on the index of crime would be equal to that of the national rate, St. Louis scored a 530. It is safe for tourists in common areas. It wasn’t a perfect analysis and I welcome any questions about my methods or disagreements with my conclusions. while the rougher parts of town have a lot of abandoned buildings. How sad. Press J to jump to the feed. For a while I regularly used the terminal 1 airport, Hanley, Rock Road, Delmar, Forest Park, CWE, Convention, and Fairview stations. Just in case you’re curious, the murder rate in the worst three zip codes of North city is around 200 murders per 100k people. It doesn't make the city safer, but the FBI numbers unfairly represent our safer neighborhoods as more dangerous than they are. During 2015 in Saint Louis we had 188 murders. The National Council … most cities has the luxury of throwing in some of the low-crime suburban areas into their crime rates, whereas St. Louis city is boxed in). ST. LOUIS, AP Just days after the St. Louis Cardinals won the top honor in the Major League Baseball championships, their hometown jumped to first place on a list no one wants to lead: the most dangerous cities in the United States. Yes. Calling the entire city "Downtown" is a dead giveaway. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. This. In 2019, 275 people were murdered. Sure it's somewhat of an accounting trick, but the city limits of St. Louis are so arbitrarily tiny compared to the actual urban area. I don't have any data on this, but I would assume that people and businesses are scared away from St. Louis due to the crime statistics. This is really subjective, but that 465 boundary to me feels very similar to the 270 boundary on the west side. Been reading a lot about gang violence and stuff. It's no worse here than any other major city in the world. This gave me an estimated population density of 3876.7 per sq. Elsewhere in this thread you asked if there were commonly known no-go zones, which I think is a perfectly legit question, but one that will be hard to get a straight answer to, unfortunately. I personally recomment Bogart's, SugarFire, and Shaved Duck, though many places have great BBQ. On the subject of crime in STL, here's a good read from the RFT. [ ^PM | Exclude ^me | Exclude from ^subreddit | FAQ / ^Information ] Downvote to remove | v0.23. In terms of suburbs of indy, the super-white, super-wealthy area is actually on that north-east end bound by SR-31 on the west and I-69 on the east, so as you drive north on binford, it gradually gets richer and safer. Just watch where you go, and be aware of your surroundings and you'll be fine. Huge statistical difference between young african american males in certain areas and the rest of the population. Indianapolis has a size of 368.1 sq. Just a minor pet peeve here: nobody who actually lives in the City calls all of it Downtown. These failing systems make crime more likely, which in turn drives more people away from those areas, preventing more money from entering the municipality, which only makes the problem worse. To be clear, I'm not saying it isn't dangerous or it's less dangerous etc etc. Thanks! You're right that St. Louis can't all be called downtown. It’s true that if we merge some county municipalities with Saint Louis City that we would no longer appear on those dreaded lists. Any stops on any of the metro lines tourists should avoid? The city did experience a good amount of job loss during the recession, and much of this came at the expense of the north side. Downtown is a very small part of what's inside the city limits. However, the second part to that argument states that our violent crime isn’t any worse than violent crime in other midwestern cities. You'll know when you're in a safe part of town and when you're not. St Louis is overall very safe to travel to. It's just not a fair comparison to other cities like Kansas City and Indianapolis which are both around 400 sq miles vs St. Louis's 66 sq miles. I will probably stay very close to Washington University School of Medicine. One idea would be to use MSAs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas) - have you seen anyone do analyses based on these? Here Are The 13 Most Dangerous Places In St. Louis After Dark. I think I'm going to enjoy my stay St. Louise. I'd expect to find a few of those around where you are. The same parts of town have more people, more security, more restaurants, etc. That gives us a violent crime rate (# violent crimes/100k citizens) of 1817.12. This would be fantastic for our national image. This gives Indianapolis a lower crime rate of 1287.98. That gives them a murder rate of 16.7. What would happen if Indianapolis’ size was limited to 66 sq. miles, but that seems disingenuous. Thanks! While most major cities are part of a larger county, or in some instances the city and the county completely overlap each other, the city of St. Louis is it's own separate entity. It’s always a sure bet that this list will stir up argument in the r/stlouis community, and I’ve read through enough of those threads that I can narrow them down into two main arguments: Argument #1 states that St. Louis is being unfairly represented. In fact, most of the city is residential (primarily single-family homes and two- and four-family flats). - I am looking for suggestions on where to stay in St Louis. It was dead silent at the station except for the one guy wandering to each group. In the United States, a metropolitan statistical area (MSA) is a geographical region with a relatively high population density at its core and close economic ties throughout the area. I have friends in St. Charles who call as far west as Delmar and Union "Downtown". Been reading a lot about gang violence and stuff. This Midwestern city … Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This is particularly true when it comes to education; failing school systems are almost always in municipalities which have low income and thus low tax revenue. Thanks, perfect! Obviously, those people have never lived here. I live in Northhampton. Sorry. Would St. Louis be much lower on lists if the county/city merged? Crime breeds more crime? If you don't want to be involved in the dangerous part, then you just stay away from there. Some other decent places to eat there too within walking distance. Might be a cool idea to meet up, thanks! Our total size is 66 sq. However, local government agencies are working with the governor of Missouri to clean up our streets and restore peace to our beautiful city. East St. Louis is the worst area in St. Louis. St. Louis came in as the nation's 3rd most dangerous city, according to preliminary figures recently released by the FBI, with 17.5 violent crimes per 1000 people in 2010. In 2014 the murder rate of the City was higher than that of Honduras, the country with the highest murder rate in the world. St. Louis is the only U.S. city in the top 20 on a list of the world’s most dangerous cities. What you are hearing is from clueless, headline writers who only gather their information from what they read from other clueless, headline writers who don't do any worthwhile investigating of their own. As long as you mind your surroundings, you'll be fine. Anyways, he's a brilliant academic and home-grown to boot. Enterprise Rent a Car also has hourly rentals, like Zipcar. Not a chance. Discussion of all things related to the narcotics known as opiates, from … United States - Is downtown St Louis safe? There's a good BBQ place up by SLU called Pappy's if you're there. To figure out how bad a place is to live in, we only needed to know what kinds of things people like and then decide what places have the least amount of those things. Would you feel safe walking about the south side of Chicago? In 2014, St Louis was ranked as the 19th most dangerous city in the world by the Mexican aid organisation CCSP-JP (El Consejo Ciudadano para la Seguridad Publica y la Justicia Penal). This. Don't go into abandoned buildings, don't spend any time in areas that seem shady or spend any time wit people that seem shady. Detroit's violent crime rate is 1,965 incidents per 100,000 residents. We threw the following criteria into this analysis in order to get the best, most complete results possible. 58.7k miles, which is tiny compared to other cities. This new crime rate just barely removes us from the top 10 list. A typical metropolitan area is centered on a single large city that wields substantial influence over the region (e.g., Chicago or Atlanta). I suppose I could play around with the map and try to squeeze some more murders into the 66 sq. This characterization sounds like it was written by someone quite unfamiliar with the city. /r/StLouis is dedicated to the news, events, and weird food of the Greater St. Louis and surrounding areas. The city and county are two separate municipal entities. You also have the advantage of coming from somewhere that is more socially progressive. Ofcourse the media is putting out fires with gasoline but as a person from Scandinavia we are not used to such large cities and we never have to navigate between different safe and "dangerous" areas. I've found this map to be the most illustrative. EDIT: I miscalculated some numbers and had to correct them. Yeah, I figured as much but can be good to know if there are commonly known no-go zones! mile area. Those areas also contain the highest population density. There are parts that are dangerous. Overall, safety in St. Louis is no different than any other urban area. ST. LOUIS (KMOV)-- Using recent data from the FBI's crime report, St. Louis and East St. Louis were both named one of the Most Dangerous Cities in America list. I think his point was that the city of St Louis is actually what in any other metro area would just be called downtown. If crime is related to poverty, and poverty is related to a lack of opportunity, and a lack of opportunity is related to businesses refusing to move here because of our bad crime numbers... then you might be able to make that argument. Even though it's sometimes dangerous, and the number of homeless people and junkies on the streets may make you feel uneasy, the criminal activities that occur only apply to dangerous parts of the city, which are rarely frequented by tourists. I'd be interested to see how that plays around with the numbers. Places like Albuquerque rank higher than STL. Saint Louis is at a disadvantage when it comes to the FBI data because our city is artificially small compared to other cities in the database. Please check out our sidebar and wiki for a plethora of knowledge. Recently I’ve been trying to compile a list of things coming to St. Louis and the surrounding areas, such as the MLS stadium, City Foundry, Water Lantern Festival, etc. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Thanks for your insight. miles gives the area a total population of 255,860. Instead, we remained a downtown district with relatively few residential neighborhoods. What you read is pure BS. miles and if we put the areas of highest crime right in the middle of the smaller Indianapolis, just as it appears Saint Louis is unfortunate enough to have had occurred? /r/StLouis is dedicated to the news, events, and weird food of the Greater St. Louis and surrounding areas. I realize that a lot of people won't be satisfied with my conclusions, but I hope that in the future we can try to meet somewhere in the middle. Where are you from? North city is horrendous, but South city is safe. Wow, meant no offence to your city. You definitely want to follow the same rules that you would in any other major city. It's interesting that, in your account, the same area is also the wealthiest. Gonna try to get to as many as possible! Hell, I recently went to Cape Town and had a good time. Please check out our sidebar and wiki for a plethora of knowledge. I have no idea where everyone is getting all the false statistics, I have lived in the St. Louis area my whole life and never once was mugged, raped, harassed, vandaled, assaulted or had my house or car broken into. There … The numbers mean that a metro Charlotte resident has a 1-in-234 chance of becoming a victim of violent crime, while the figure is 1-in-220 in the St. Louis metro area, Rosenfeld said. There’s definitely a problem. We have one day and want to visit the arch, and city museum. Everyone has huddled together in small groups, and you could tell something seemed tense. WARNING: East St. Louis features as having the highest crime rate in the United States in the FBI's 100 most dangerous cities list and is perceived by many as "America's most dangerous city". Argument #2 will say that the first argument is naïve and those who argue that point are just making excuses for a city which is terribly governed and completely overrun by criminals, murderers, and Democrats. Saint Louis is at a disadvantage when it comes to the FBI data because our city is artificially small compared to other cities in the database. The stats are misleading. As of 2017, St. Louis is ranked to be the most dangerous city in America. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Our newly calculated violent crime rate would then be 1417.58. WashU kids never have a need to trek over to East St. Louis. I read the same thing about your city and every other major city in the world. Using stats of metropolitan areas is, of course, the only logical method to compare urban areas. First time in St. Louise (second time in The US) in a couple of weeks. Also, Indy is basically bound by the I-465. Such regions are neither legally incorporated as a city or town would be, nor are they legal administrative divisions like counties or separate entities such as states. They consider "St. Louis" to be that small, geopolitical area from Forest Park to the riverfront and a population of 300K. Although St. Louis frequently finds itself listed as one of the top 10 most dangerous cities in the U.S. by publications like Forbes, this city is actually much safer than what people see in the media. As of April 2017, St. Louis has the highest murder rate in the nation.The violence in the city is escalating at alarming rates. How safe is it to just stroll arround on my own? Yes, it's as safe as or safer than any other US city. Similarly, it would be like taking all the crime in any downtown of a large city and saying all that crime there happens everywhere. Reality: St. Louis is 10x larger with a population of nearly 3 million people. Here's a list of the municipalities I included in my second calculation: So, the two cities have a completely different geography (I mean, Indy isn't smack-butt against a river). Here's a list of BBQ joints from the Visitor's Guide. Binford Blvd serves as like a weird "artery of wealth" into that part of the state. Can include shops, restaurants, events/festivals, anything to look forward to, especially for when this pandemic is over. (note-this does not include EAST St. Louis-in Illinois-across the river-no real reason for a tourist to go there) That near perfect line you see separating the blue and orange areas is what we call the "Delmar Divide". The entire St. Louis area, including both St. Louis City and St. Louis county has several million people. You might be interested in some of Rick Rosenfeld's (UMSL crim professor) work (if you are not already familiar). At first glance, it looks like victory sorta belongs to argument #1. There was a gentleman walking around to each group saying some aggressive stuff, and it appeared he was not in a normal state of mind. Are we some super safe city? Being from the St. Louis area I can tell you that a lot of cops have been shot at and murdered over the last several years. St Louis is not very dangerous. I'd like to point out that your overlay of STL on Indy lays smack dab on that path, and I'd argue that gives Indy an unrealistic edge in the comparison. I was hoping you all could help me add to the list. I.e. I grew up in the CWE. I'm from Sweden and also in my upper 20s! I'd like to point out specifically, that going northeast past binford, violent crime basically evaporates north of 38th (except for broad ripple and all the drunken shenanigans going on there - but not really any homicides, so won't show up on your map). 68.0k Multiplying that by 66 sq. Due to the Great Divorce, as Saint Louis expanded westward, none of the newly created communities were included as part of our city. 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